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2 months 3 hours ago #1331 by Andrew Kelsey
An unusual ABC find was created by Andrew Kelsey
- a brand new ABC crankshaft with journals still in protective adhesive paper.
It would appear to be for a V4 Bee engine?

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1 month 4 weeks ago #1332 by dhales
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The V-4 crankshaft is indeed from a Bee engine and was salvaged by me from the factory in 1971 together with various other Ridley/Bee ancillaries. I have not as yet seen a complete Bee unit although the Woking ATC apparently had a couple in the 1970s. I thought Bob Thomas had one, or the makings of one, and hence I passed a number of bits and pieces of Ridley and Bee units on to him. I also salvaged four or five Ridley units of which Bob had one, Bill Boddy had one for his Welsh Motor Museum (since sold), one I think went to a friend in the Outer Hebrides and I kept one for quite some time before I sold that a few years ago. I still have a few Ridley ancillaries which will no doubt end up at Brooklands in due course. I thought Bob also had my spare 12/40hp Supersports engine which should be somewhere in the store!

Keep Beevering.
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1 month 4 weeks ago #1333 by Roger
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David,

You have just reminded me of Viscount Ridley, father of Nick Ridley, who was chasing the 750cc World Record in 1930 at the same time as William Morris with his Minor and Austin with their Seven which Pat Driscoll, whose Norton are in the Museum, became their lead driver in 1931. What a small world especially as the rebuilt Ridley Special is also in the museum. This was rebuilt with an Amilcar chassis and the original engine after Ridley's near fatal crash endeavouring to recapture the record from Austin - Morris never achieve it although Ridley did.
What has this to do with ABC? Ridley was a director of ABC at the time and the engine was a one off short stroke ohc four which could have been made by ABC. Any thoughts?

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1 month 4 weeks ago #1334 by gioorl
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I don't have a picture of a real Bee but David Hales managed to get the original drawings and a wooden set of cylinders (yes wooden).

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1 month 4 weeks ago #1335 by Andrew Kelsey
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The V-4 crankshaft is indeed from a Bee engine and was salvaged by me from the factory in 1971 together with various other Ridley/Bee ancillaries. I have not as yet seen a complete Bee unit although the Woking ATC apparently had a couple in the 1970s. I thought Bob Thomas had one, or the makings of one, and hence I passed a number of bits and pieces of Ridley and Bee units on to him. I also salvaged four or five Ridley units of which Bob had one, Bill Boddy had one for his Welsh Motor Museum (since sold), one I think went to a friend in the Outer Hebrides and I kept one for quite some time before I sold that a few years ago. I still have a few Ridley ancillaries which will no doubt end up at Brooklands in due course. I thought Bob also had my spare 12/40hp Supersports engine which should be somewhere in the store!

Keep Beevering.

Thank you - for giving us another piece in the jigsaw!

There are also 2 brand new cylinder heads along with a Solex carb which I am fairly sure are for this engine.


There is a Bee engine -albeit rather dusty at present:


No sign of the Supersport engine, I ‘m sorry to say - that would be wonderful, though there are several (cast) cylinder barrels an a 3 used pistons/ rings.

There is a complete APU of Sunderland flying boat type


The task is identifying, rescuing and sorting with an aim ultimately to display everything- along with the machinery that Bob used in the mill.

-and, where possible getting them running - on Weds, pleased to say we got another ABC running again- the 1919 SkootaMota
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1 month 4 weeks ago #1336 by Andrew Kelsey
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I don't have a picture of a real Bee but David Hales managed to get the original drawings and a wooden set of cylinders (yes wooden).


That is very interesting, Giovanni.

The wooden cylinder heads are intriguing - I am staring at them and looking at the Bee engine pics and the cylinder head pics.
- are they the same?

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1 month 4 weeks ago #1337 by gioorl
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To be fair, when I took the picture of the engine drawing I didn't realise the text at the bottom was not readable so I cannot tell for sure what's the name of the engine.
Could this be another mystery engine for our website members to investogate?

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1 month 4 weeks ago - 1 month 4 weeks ago #1338 by Andrew Kelsey
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To be fair, when I took the picture of the engine drawing I didn't realise the text at the bottom was not readable so I cannot tell for sure what's the name of the engine.
Could this be another mystery engine for our website members to investogate?

It’s all about piecing information together !

I will try and get some more useful photos later this week.

Until I read David’s email I had assumed that the ABC Bee parts had come with the rest of the items Bob had obtained from a Gov. surplus sale ( in the late sixties, I think) as they were discovered together stored in an ammo. box.

It isn’t always obvious sometimes what it is we are looking at:
A partially dismantled unitary construction V twin engine and gearbox was a puzzle until the penny dropped that it was from a Panthette which are quite rare.
Obvious then..
We should have realised that unusual features in the design amounted to a Granville Bradshaw signature - such as laminated ie. leaf springs for the exhaust valves.
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1 month 4 weeks ago #1339 by Paul
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'Mazing, apsly 'mazing! The collective knowledge of our Association knows no bounds!
A browse in the correspondence files bequeathed me by David Hales, prompted by Roger's #1333, has turned up the attached photos of a four-cylinder OHC engine. They are annotated 'Lapwing Minor Aero Engine made by HRG', not perhaps quite what Roger sought, but interesting for all that. Note the caveat, "this way up": the engine was intended to work inverted.

The photos are seemingly from a Ben French, sometime owner of CB2506 (these days to be seen in the Brum Mausoleum) and BN4384 (auctioned by Brightwells in 2015).
Further...I remember riding Bob's Panthette up and down Glen Auldyn, alongside 'Milntown', and was impressed by its zippiness. Bob said that its tank wasn't correct, but no matter. I also remember the 'Bee' in Bob's machine shop (first floor of the Mill) and his Marshall Tridyne rotary engine on the ground floor, still bearing a transit label, "Kings Cross Station", I think.
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1 month 4 weeks ago #1341 by Andrew Kelsey
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'Mazing, apsly 'mazing! The collective knowledge of our Association knows no bounds!
A browse in the correspondence files bequeathed me by David Hales, prompted by Roger's #1333, has turned up the attached photos of a four-cylinder OHC engine. They are annotated 'Lapwing Minor Aero Engine made by HRG', not perhaps quite what Roger sought, but interesting for all that. Note the caveat, "this way up": the engine was intended to work inverted.

The photos are seemingly from a Ben French, sometime owner of CB2506 (these days to be seen in the Brum Mausoleum) and BN4384 (auctioned by Brightwells in 2015).
Further...I remember riding Bob's Panthette up and down Glen Auldyn, alongside 'Milntown', and was impressed by its zippiness. Bob said that its tank wasn't correct, but no matter. I also remember the 'Bee' in Bob's machine shop (first floor of the Mill) and his Marshall Tridyne rotary engine on the ground floor, still bearing a transit label, "Kings Cross Station", I think.

Thanks, that would seem to fit.

That Panthette you recall ( ie the complete machine not the engine/ gearbox I mentioned) is on loan to the Isle of Man Motor Museum at Jurby on the former site of RAF Jurby).
Milntown hasn’t the space to display all the bikes so we have several on loan there and can “rotate” them with Milntown.

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