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5 months 2 weeks ago #1261 by villiers
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Long story short, I've had access to and been ploughing through old Victorian State motor registration records. Amongst this lot I've come across some ABC engine number records and thought they may be of interest.
This is engine numbers only.
Engine numbers only, 6267, 18158, 1933, 1970, 1454, 1009, N95, and 33, (possibly A33).
As this is Harry Beanhams original stamping grounds i'm sure the Register has most of these already but possibly there are one or two new ones for it.
These numbers were retrieved from an old card index system that was first microfilmed for economical storage and then as microfilm readers are disappearing fast recently digitised so we can read them again.
Of any interest?
Cheers,

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5 months 2 weeks ago #1262 by Paul
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Hi Villiers,
You speak of Harry Beanham's original stamping ground...in more ways than one, perhaps. I refer to a set of number stamps...
Sopwith engine serial numbers ran from 1001 to about 3400, so several of your quoted numbers appear to be mildly bogus.
The Register lists 14 Sopwiths in Oz and Taz, but none of your 1009/1454/1933/1970 engines are among them. Do you suppose that any of these machines still exist?
Anyway, thanks for your time, it's unusual for a Registrar to receive information, normally I only get questions!

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5 months 2 weeks ago - 5 months 2 weeks ago #1263 by keithsams
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hi do you have images of the information, if so is it possible to put them on the site thanks ps are there any frame numbers
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5 months 2 weeks ago #1264 by villiers
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Well, I thought to arouse a modicum of interest but I got more than I expected didn't I.
Firstly, these numbers are taken from official State records. Whether bogus or not ABC motorcycles having engines stamped with these numbers were registered and put on the road in Victoria. Given that photos of Harry Beanham with his bikes are held, it may be possible to link some of these engine numbers with the number plates of bikes in Harry's photos. I'll go back and get the licence plate numbers.
Sorry, Keith, no frame numbers and no chance of putting images of the original cards up on the site. Getting as far as I have has taken months and is an utter pig of a job. It is NOT like you see on TV or the movies. The information may now be digitised so it can be read on a computer but it's not a computer program you can search. It's a matter of reading card after card and there are an awful lot of them.

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5 months 2 weeks ago #1265 by Gnome Rhone 1
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Interesting topic....I have the rego records for early Tasmania and it is searchable. I will check it out for ABC's.
I have Harry Beanham's Gnome Rhone plus others.
Amongst the paperwork I also bought at Harry last auction are letters from the Registrar of the time David Hales which give numbers of Harry's property.
I can scan and place them up here if David give his permission .
Howard.

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5 months 2 weeks ago #1266 by keithsams
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ok thanks anyway, it would be good if you have some added information howard i am sure it will all make sense somehow

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5 months 2 weeks ago - 5 months 2 weeks ago #1271 by keithsams
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looking at some of the numbers, 1933 1970 1454 look good if they are not on the register 1009 i dont know, could n95 be 1195 18158 be 1815 or 1818 ? 6267 be 1267 or 2267 a33 be 1133 they did not have specsavers then. did the index cards have other information, owners etc.
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5 months 2 weeks ago #1272 by villiers
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I've gone through the files again and can match Rego numbers (licence plate numbers) to engine numbers plus clarify a little more. Under the Victorian registation system number plates are issued by the State and are only valid for the period of registration. If you didn't do an annual renewal you handed in the plates and were issued with another set when if and when you re-registered the vehicle. Consequently any vehicle can have multiple rego numbers throughout its life. No issued for life permanent numbers.
From this info it may possibly help in photo identification of any local ABC photos that pop up.
Engine number 33 (possibly A33, additional scrawls on card don't help) Reg number 42475, issued 26.6.37.
Engine number N95, Reg no 12511, issued ?.?.38? date illegible
Engine number 1009, Reg no 18806, issued 8.11.48
Engine number 1454, Reg nos 41539, issued 28.2.??, re regd 29429 21.9.46 or 48, ( near illegible year)
Engine number 1933, Reg no 30991, issued 9.4.46
Engine number 1970, Reg no 18158, issued 18.9.? Note I appear to have given 18158 as an engine number first off.
Engine number 6267, Reg no 9293, issued 8.11.?
I suspect most of the above were "retread relics" dragged out of the back shed in the postwar era when transport was at a premium. If it could run it was put back on the road regardless of condition.
The above is only those cards that were microfilmed, there may be still be surviving cards in the rest of the collection. I'll keep digging.

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5 months 2 weeks ago #1273 by Gnome Rhone 1
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G'day all.
I have scanned one of the letters with number quoted...how well they relate to 2022 I don't know.
I would have some photos of a couple of obscure ones mentioned.
Howard
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5 months 2 weeks ago #1274 by Paul
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Interesting...the State of Victoria must be littered with discarded Rego plates.
Have you found any ways of re-using them? Perhaps...
- Replacement material for broken roof slates
- Long-life book-marks
- At this time of the year, you could send us some in the UK for scraping our morning windscreens: thanks!

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